tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5598001998905421872.post696227065497228383..comments2015-03-24T01:43:54.586-07:00Comments on Fixing Engineering Education: Engineering Educators: You're Doing it Wrong!Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15199240526879942772noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5598001998905421872.post-80151846472993409222015-03-23T06:31:24.848-07:002015-03-23T06:31:24.848-07:00Try this: http://www.me.utexas.edu/~koen/etc-lectu...Try this: http://www.me.utexas.edu/~koen/etc-lecture/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15199240526879942772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5598001998905421872.post-82746919173806409222015-03-23T02:08:06.108-07:002015-03-23T02:08:06.108-07:00I think that this all depends on your definition o...I think that this all depends on your definition of heuristics. I clicked on the link for BVK but I would need to buy the book to find out what he said.<br /><br />This illustrates the problem for self-employed practising engineers. Although we have soon access to engineering matters via the Internet we do not have the access to libraries that academics do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11237985888416774156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5598001998905421872.post-10181241919254678152015-03-21T09:51:48.279-07:002015-03-21T09:51:48.279-07:00Hi Keith, congratulations on being our first comme...Hi Keith, congratulations on being our first commentator.<br /><br />Agreed, we use maths and science, but they are themselves just heuristics, as BVK points out. Like modelling programs, they are handy tools. But without practical heuristics and engineering judgement, they are all at best worthless.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15199240526879942772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5598001998905421872.post-19897651920553986082015-03-21T05:37:54.938-07:002015-03-21T05:37:54.938-07:00Knud, I have to say as a practising chemical engin...Knud, I have to say as a practising chemical engineer with 40 years experience working at the coal face that I do not agree with you completely. Whilst heuristics, codes of practice etc play a significant part in engineering practice, maths and science also have their place.<br /><br />I completely agree that by teaching someone maths and science makes someone you cannot math them an engineer but neither does just relying on experience. Good engineers can combine heuristics, code of practice, engineering judgement, maths and science in a way that creates something very different from science.<br /><br />Being able to use maths and science to back up engineering judgement is trick that even most engineers do not seem to have mastered but to be a good engineer you need to be able to do this.<br /><br />I am not sure how you teach people this ability but I am sure that it cannot be done by scientists because they do not understand what they are trying to teach.<br /><br />I also agree that engineering is almost certainly older than much of maths and science and it would be interesting to consider how much maths and science was used in building the pyramids.<br /><br />On the other hand maths is very old, much older than European civilisation and in my opinion engineering has matured as it has been able in incorporated maths and science.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11237985888416774156noreply@blogger.com